391 replies to this topic

[CMcB]

It is unclear at this time what the DVLA consider worth writing to them about.

If you have a substantially modified Mini and get pulled over or dont declare it to the DVLA then they are likely to revoke the registration.

Basically it sums up like this, and i know its hard to take. If you have modified your car from standard (anything from hi-los to change of wheel size/width, obviously a different engine or engine performance) it needs to be declared to the DVLA. "In most cases they will say no further action is required" but if it is a substantial mod (like a Shorty) it will be called in for an IVA (at your own cost).

Body colour should be declared but its not a biggie.

This applies to all cars on the road.

[998dave]

I have contacted the number given by Garrett and spoken to Mark- IVA Techincal officer 01792 454 256 - who said this.
The Mot tester will notify the DVLA (by the push of a button) if they suspect the car is modified \
The DVLA will call in the car for an IVA - cost £450 currently

I have contacted VOSA.... not DVLA........ but VOSA run the MOT testing systems and stations. VOSA have told myself that, there are no current plans to include a check to identify if the car is modified or not in the mot test in the future.

Thanks CMcB, and Jordie,

Seems there are plans, but they've not been finalised yet, so we should work to get clarification of the proposals, from the source, rather then arguing about second hand information.

I'm not too worried for now as from what I've seen the IVA will not be that different to the SVA, but I'm always on the look out for more information.

From a moderator point of view I'm glad this is staying a productive discussion, so thanks on that front for making my job a lot easier!

Dave

[huntface]

Dave, is your cabrio Hornet cream?

[spiguy]

It is unclear at this time what the DVLA consider worth writing to them about.

If you have a substantially modified Mini and get pulled over or dont declare it to the DVLA then they are likely to revoke the registration.

Basically it sums up like this, and i know its hard to take. If you have modified your car from standard (anything from hi-los to change of wheel size/width, obviously a different engine or engine performance) it needs to be declared to the DVLA. "In most cases they will say no further action is required" but if it is a substantial mod (like a Shorty) it will be called in for an IVA (at your own cost).

Body colour should be declared but its not a biggie.

This applies to all cars on the road.

I haven't notified about my hi-los... and I have a stainless RC40 cat back. I take it then that I should be notifying them about that. oops!

[Ethel]

24. The objective of the current ‘INF 26’ procedures is to establish if the vehicle being presented for inspection is the original vehicle or if it has been altered to such an extent that the identity has been lost. The current inspection procedures rely on both an inspection of the documentation, such as the registration certificate, receipts for parts, and an inspection of the vehicle. DVLA and DVLNI generally relies on the integrity of the vehicle’s keeper to detail the components or kit used in the vehicle build, when deciding which registration is retained or allocated to a particular vehicle.
25. In assessing the vehicle, the inspector must decide whether the vehicle is a rebuilt vehicle, a radically altered vehicle, a kit or kit conversion, a reconstructed classic or a vehicle without identity.

The source still uses SVA as a term, but it seems the principle remains. It's not that vehicle is modified that is the issue: it's whether it's been modified to such an extent that it can no longer be considered to be the same vehicle that it was when it was originally registered with the DVLA. - We're back to counting up major components, engines, axles etc.

VOSA do those checks, so I guess if you turn up for an MoT (administered by VOSA) and the tester notices enough of the major components don't match the description they should be passing on the info to DVLA who are responsible for licensing it.

Hi-Lo's and exhausts aren't major components and I doubt the DVLA even has a procedure for you to use to tell them.

[garrett3]

I have contacted the number given by Garrett and spoken to Mark- IVA Techincal officer 01792 454 256 - who said this.
The Mot tester will notify the DVLA (by the push of a button) if they suspect the car is modified \
The DVLA will call in the car for an IVA - cost £450 currently

I have contacted VOSA.... not DVLA........ but VOSA run the MOT testing systems and stations. VOSA have told myself that, there are no current plans to include a check to identify if the car is modified or not in the mot test in the future.

Thanks CMcB, and Jordie,

Seems there are plans, but they've not been finalised yet, so we should work to get clarification of the proposals, from the source, rather then arguing about second hand information.

I'm not too worried for now as from what I've seen the IVA will not be that different to the SVA, but I'm always on the look out for more information.

From a moderator point of view I'm glad this is staying a productive discussion, so thanks on that front for making my job a lot easier!

Dave

Sorry mate these are NOT PLANS.

As from april 09 this is all FACT! its merely that you may get away with no action on it untill MOT time upto around 2012 is (its is allready happening though so you have been warned) when the mot inspector will be forced to grass you up.

Thanks Craig for taking the time to look into this and giving a non biased approach. Much appreciated.

Now let stop argueing guys and work together here

Edited by garrett3, 20 July 2009 - 06:39 PM.

[garrett3]

24. The objective of the current ‘INF 26’ procedures is to establish if the vehicle being presented for inspection is the original vehicle or if it has been altered to such an extent that the identity has been lost. The current inspection procedures rely on both an inspection of the documentation, such as the registration certificate, receipts for parts, and an inspection of the vehicle. DVLA and DVLNI generally relies on the integrity of the vehicle’s keeper to detail the components or kit used in the vehicle build, when deciding which registration is retained or allocated to a particular vehicle.
25. In assessing the vehicle, the inspector must decide whether the vehicle is a rebuilt vehicle, a radically altered vehicle, a kit or kit conversion, a reconstructed classic or a vehicle without identity.

All turue, well done for doing your homework!

This will enagble them to know if you need an IVA OR A B IVA. One is just under 200 and the other is 450 ish.

Either test must currently conform to 2009 EU Regs.

My point is that if you have modded a 1990 car then the regs should apply to a 1990 build? else the mods are not the problem its the car!

A 1990 car even if its completely standard could not pass the IVA. Its crazy?

[1987_ParkLane]

Are we still going on about this? Has anyone found any real info yet, or are we still going off the 'email'??

[BoboGib]

24. The objective of the current ‘INF 26’ procedures is to establish if the vehicle being presented for inspection is the original vehicle or if it has been altered to such an extent that the identity has been lost. The current inspection procedures rely on both an inspection of the documentation, such as the registration certificate, receipts for parts, and an inspection of the vehicle. DVLA and DVLNI generally relies on the integrity of the vehicle’s keeper to detail the components or kit used in the vehicle build, when deciding which registration is retained or allocated to a particular vehicle.
25. In assessing the vehicle, the inspector must decide whether the vehicle is a rebuilt vehicle, a radically altered vehicle, a kit or kit conversion, a reconstructed classic or a vehicle without identity.

The source still uses SVA as a term, but it seems the principle remains. It's not that vehicle is modified that is the issue: it's whether it's been modified to such an extent that it can no longer be considered to be the same vehicle that it was when it was originally registered with the DVLA. - We're back to counting up major components, engines, axles etc.

VOSA do those checks, so I guess if you turn up for an MoT (administered by VOSA) and the tester notices enough of the major components don't match the description they should be passing on the info to DVLA who are responsible for licensing it.

Hi-Lo's and exhausts aren't major components and I doubt the DVLA even has a procedure for you to use to tell them.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Ethel, feel a lot better now. Just hope the system doesn't change as it will bring about the demise of many a uk business.

[Ethel]

There's a principal in law of restrospectivity - if you did something legally - it can't be made illegal by changing the law.

The key will be when the act occured, i.e. when you modified the vehicle. It's possible that they could also insist that your mods must comply with the regulations that applied to the vehicle when it was manufactured, but at the moment that isn't the case. you can put an older engine a new vehicle and have it tested by the engine's emissions standards.

I whole heartedly agree it's something for us all to keep an eye on, better to discuss it amongst ourselves, robustly, than have any holes in our arguments exposed when fighting our corner with the authorities.

[ferrit]

If you have modified your car from standard (anything from hi-los to change of wheel size/width, obviously a different engine or engine performance) it needs to be declared to the DVLA. "In most cases they will say no further action is required"

Body colour should be declared but its not a biggie.

But what is the procedure for reporting minor items such as hi-los, wheels, type of seats (Not number of seats!) etc and where would the DVLA record this info anyway. I can understand the significant changes such as body colour, engine size / numbers as the V5 has sections for all this info.

And the DVLA dont mention anything in relation to minor changes on their own website

Link to DVLA "Changing your vehicle details"

I still fail to see how the majority of mods carried out by most mini owners will be affected

Edited by ferrit, 14 July 2009 - 01:47 PM.

[CMcB]

Testing and Support Services (TaSS)
VOSA,
Ellipse,
Padley Road,
Swansea,
SA1 8AN.

Good afternoon Craig ,

Thank you for your further information regarding this matter. We are aware
of various forums covering this issue and some of the wild and inaccurate
statements being made. If it is of any help, I have put together some
useful information which may assist you. I shall start by briefly
explaining the IVA scheme.

In October 2007, the European Type Approval scheme for cars known as
European Community Whole Vehicle Type Approval (ECWVTA) was amended by the
implementation of the Recast Framework Directive 2007/46/EC. Due to this
legislation, ECWVTA will extend to cover other vehicle types for the first
time. The directive details the mandatory implementation dates for all
categories of vehicles affected, the first being M1 passenger cars from
29th April 2009, followed by buses, coaches, vans, trucks, some special
purpose vehicles and trailers at key dates between 2009 and 2014. The
Directive provides the base European legislation for the approval of
vehicles that are mass produced, built in small numbers or as individual
vehicles, requiring them to meet specified safety and environmental
standards before they can be used on the road. All vehicles imported into
the UK that are less than 10 years old (from date of manufacture) will now
have to meet the requirements of Individual Vehicle Approval (IVA). The IVA
scheme is a pre-registration inspection for cars and light goods vehicles
that have not been Type-Approved to British or European standards. The IVA
test checks that vehicles constructed for non-European Economic Area
markets comply with British law.
Since 1st May 2009 there have been two levels of IVA; Basic and Normal.
Basic IVA will be applied in cases where the number of affected vehicles is
expected to be low and we can accept that the very demanding safety and
environmental standards of Type Approval will not be undermined. The Normal
IVA will be applied in all other cases, i.e. where the number of vehicles
entering service warrants Type Approval or comparable standards for key
environmental and safety items. Unless you qualify as a `Personal Import`,
an Amateur Build or the vehicle is a Left Hand Drive (LHD), you will have
to meet the requirements of Normal IVA. The standards applicable for Normal
IVA are those contained in the relevant European Type Approval Directives.
These require proof of compliance in up to 12 key areas, depending on the
age of the vehicle. These are ;
Seat Belt anchorages (1st July 1991 on)
Protective steering (1st July 1991 on)
Noise and silencers (1st January 1991 on)
Exhaust emissions (1st January 1993 on)
Brakes (1st April 1995 on)
Seat Belt installation (1st July 1997 on)
Co2/ Fuel consumption (1st July 1997)
Fuel Tanks (for gaseous fuels) (1st October 1998)
Anti-Theft device (1st October 1998)
Front impact protection (1st October 2003)
Side impact protection (1st October 2003)
Frontal Protection systems (if fitted) (29th April 2009)

However, if you can show (by documentary evidence) that you have built the
vehicle yourself, for your own personal use, then you may be entitled to
apply under the Amateur Built category. A vehicle is an amateur built
vehicle if-
a) the vehicle was constructed or assembled for the personal use of a
relevant individual; and
b) the construction or assembly or a substantial part of the
construction
or assembly was carried out by-
i) the individual referred to in paragraph (a),
ii) one or more relevant individuals acting on his behalf
and under his direction, or
iii) the individual referred to in paragraph (a) and one or more
relevant individuals acting on his behalf and under his direction.
For the purposes of this paragraph, a reference to a relevant individual,
in relation to a motor vehicle, is a reference to an individual who did
not, at any time during the period when the construction or assembly of the
vehicle was being carried out, carry on a business in the course of which
motor vehicles are normally constructed or assembled.

The main purpose of the Amateur Built category is to allow members of the
public a less onerous vehicle test, which exempts them from the Normal IVA
test. It should not be forgotten, that this is an exemption from regulation
and as such will require proof of entitlement. Where an application is
received for a vehicle to be tested as an Amateur Built vehicle,
documentary evidence that shows the applicant has built the complete
vehicle themselves, will be required. This may take the form of
photographs, invoices, build diaries or multimedia presentations (or a
combination of each) that clearly show the complete construction of the
vehicle by the applicant.

Further information regarding the IVA scheme can be found by following the
link below:
http://www.transport...p;id=499e46ee37

The application form and test fees are available from the following site:
http://www.transport...ms.htm#P43_1978

I have also attached a link to the current IVA manual, that vehicles are
tested against:
http://www.transport...o... May 09.pdf

Just in case this is not available a have also attached a PDF copy of the
manual BUT, this will be updated on a regular basis and as such should not
be used as a historic reference point.

(See attached file: IVA Inspection Manual 29-6-09 V4.pdf)

I do hope this information is helpful, but should you have any further
questions, please do not hesitate to get in touch.

Best regards,

Mark

Mark Vickers Eng Tech MSOE MIRTE
Technical Officer
Single Vehicle Approval
Passenger Cars & Light Goods Vehicles
Vehicle & Operator Services Agency
Department for Transport.

[rustandoil]

Sounds like a whole load of problems for builders of z-cars projects

[minimadjonesy]

nice work there CMcV!

[BGB]

Is this yet more EU rules that France, Spain and Italy will ignore but us in the UK will follow to the letter like blind effing sheep