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[mspd_ant]

What annoys me most is when somebody asks for genuine advice regarding an engine build that includes one of our products and the next guy puts 'wait read this' and puts a link to the ollie lewis thread which not only has nothing to do with the original question but also features alot of unproven and in my opinion unfair an untrue accusations.

And finally Prawn, as far as i know you have never bought anything from morspeed yet you are first to give your two cents!! Its obvious you have a personal vendetta against simon and morspeed and you cant wait to say how bad we are all over this forum. All i can say is the one time you actually came face to face with me and simon you was rather quiet.

At least do Oil the justice of spelling his name right, it was Oli, or Oliver.

Check your records, I have indeed bought things from Morspeed in the past, and at one time even considered myself a morspeed fan, and gave recommendations for them on this and many other mini forums.

Every single fact stated in the thread about Oli's mini can be proved 100%, just try me.

I was indeed quite when I came up to morspeed, we had come to collect an engine that your company had failled to deliver after 9 months of empty promises, so I wasn't about to cause a scene.. We just wanted the engine. Of course, as you know, it didn't turn out to be the engine that Oli paid for afterall, So I guess I may as well have said my piece then. Shame I didnt.

Prawn, apologys for the spelling. Im obviously not at work now nor do i keep morspeed records at home so ill take your word. As for the rest, you know the situation so im saying nothing.

[Prawn]

Also you cant just disregard the Oli topic, its too big, its been pinned, its been there for ages, it still gets read, still gets comments and it still has the desired effect. In the financial crisis the world is in its incredibly immoral of some people (mentioning no names for obvious reasons) to try and destroy a relatively small company for their own personal financial benefit.

I'll assume that comment linked on from the previous, and was aimed at us trying to get a refund for the joke of an engine supplied.

As far as I'm concerned, all you need to do is refund the money for the engine so we can buy a new one from elsewhere to finish Oli's car, and any problems we have with you will disappear.

It's THAT simple. Refund the money, so we can finish Oli's car, and posts like this from me and other friends of Oli will stop.

What do we have to gain financially from any of this?

I personally think it's unfair that morspeed are allowed to continue trading with such a known history.

Mods if you feel any of the above is out of line, please feel free to edit my posts accordingly, although I would appreciate it if the general message remains unchanged.

[aston19uk]

now now children. Its going to court but after this, i aint buying anything from you no who

[Dan6061]

Morspeed are rubbish.
Surely all comments made by the users on here are the opinions of that individual, and not by TheMiniForum as a whole? So how can the forum admin's get in trouble for something a member has said? I'm sure there's a disclaimer to state this?

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Or is that, everyone's entitled to their positive opinions? Negative ones must be kept to ourselves?

[Jammy]

And as far as the guy with the head, i didnt mean to single him out, he seems like a nice guy, i was just trying to get my point accross that good news doesnt get as much publicity and thats a shame. And i dnt just mean for morspeed, if somebodys done you a good job, let em know, let everybody know, thats what a forums about guys.

Without idle threats of legal proceedings the thread would still be around today to allow the topic starter to tell us all what a good cylinder head he'd received. Unfortunately Simon obviously doesn't want this to happen, so the topics have to now be removed, whether the comments about Morspeed are good or bad!

[just_st3v3n]

now now children. Its going to court but after this, i aint buying anything from you no who

i agree..

this topic is stupid and imo should not be displayed for all of us to see...

sort it out in the courts lads.............

[mspd_ant]

Read into it what you will. All i will say is we have built more k conversion engines than anyone by far and not 1 problem. Did you see the 5 trophy winning and 8 year old record breaking hillclimb car with our twincam in last season by any chance? You should go see it and the other three that have just joined him with our engines this season. Infact there so good im just building myself one for my road car atm, ill let you know of any problems with my 'joke of an engine'.

[maryquant]

This seems to be getting very out of hand. The legal principles are very sound, and there seems to be an awful lot of empty threats being brandished around. If I was TheMiniForum, i wouldnt close any topics unless they breached the terms & conditions or were issued with a C&D order. Whilst I dont usually take sides, I have to agree with Prawn and everyone else. Hiring a solicitor that claims they can win your case if you pay em enough is just bad logic. Put it in a pot, boil it down, and look at what you have got left - the 'facts' no matter how much mud is covering them - are still the facts.

You pay for something, you receive it within the terms of the agreed purchase, or your entitled to your money back. Any solicitor who supports any different to that might as well get a cheesy bloke to do them a telly ad during my dinner time.

p.s: - "We have 23937 registered members" thats a lot of letters. Oh and unsolicited PM's from solicitors Im pretty sure could be clased as spam, which no doubt is a breach of the forums terms & conditions. Cant wait for mine.

*end rant*

[Prawn]

Ant, I am not doubting in the slightest that Morspeed ARE capable of building extremely high quality engines, the race results clearly prove this. I'm sure an engine built for youself will have the highest level of care and attention to detail, being your own.

What I'm saying is, in the case of the engine Oli's family were supplied, morspeed did NOT build a good engine. The engine supplied was simply not fit for purpose, and did not match the specification of that which was ordered by the late Oli Lewis.

This is not my opinion either, this is the opinion of an independant report from another mini specialist.

[mspd_ant]

Ant, I am not doubting in the slightest that Morspeed ARE capable of building extremely high quality engines, the race results clearly prove this. I'm sure an engine built for youself will have the highest level of care and attention to detail, being your own.

What I'm saying is, in the case of the engine Oli's family were supplied, morspeed did NOT build a good engine. The engine supplied was simply not fit for purpose, and did not match the specification of that which was ordered by the late Oli Lewis.

This is not my opinion either, this is the opinion of an independant report from another mini specialist.

Whether im building an engine for myself or a customer or my worst enemy, there is no difference in care or quality of work. I love what i do, its not just my job its my passion. And i try my very hardest and work to the very best of my ability with any engine i work on. Nomatter the spec or the customer. Hence why i get upset when people question our work.

As far as Olis engine goes i didnt really have anything to do with the build myself but trust me Simon is just as passionate about his job and i can say im 110% sure he wouldnt have let that engine leave the premesis if he had the slightest doubt it was not fit for purpose.

[Ethel]

I'm sure we'd all like to see any disputes brought to a satisfactory, and fair, conclusion.

This isn't helped by anyone making comments that have nothing to contribute but insults.

If you wish to make comments, good or bad, about any company or individual please make sure that they are factual and be prepared to take responsibility for them. It would be sound advice to limit such comments to your own personal experience so you can be sure of this.

[Jordie]

Everyone who has problems with any company after buying a product. I advise them to ring for advice, under the sale of goods act. You have entered a contract for the company to supply x product for x amount and possible in x amount of days.

Ask for this information by written letter/email (good source of evidence if you do need to take it further), then its down to the company to provide the goods within that contract. Breaking the contract ofcourse will lead to refunds and returns providing the customer services are upto scratch.

Company who does provide the goods within contract, are bound to receive positive comments and happy customers.

Remember, you have rights. These are automatically started when you start the buying of a product, be via phone, email, internet etc. The trader should accept liability for any problems under the contract.

I see my name was mentioned. I am a moderator yes. I am a person with my own view and beliefs and opinions, non of my comments come from the TMF team or theminiforum as a whole.

Is this the only forum that "comments" on Morspeed? No. Infact I know of several. But i dont see messages posted within there topics and legal proceedings flying about. This is one of the biggest mini forums going, so with lots of members, the more chance of someone posting here about problems with Morspeed is increased. And the more unhappy customers, the more posts created. Vicious circle, that Morspeed are the ones who need to stop.

My 2 cents.
Jordie

[pogie]

This thread is ridiculous. Simon has only got his solicitors involved because we are absolubtly fed up of coming on this forum and seeing people writng slanderous comments and blatant lies about our company.

YES we make mistakes NO were not perfect. YES sometimes we are late with delivery but YES the quality is exeptional.

I initialy joined this forum because of my love for the classic mini, not because of my job or to defend morspeed, so i try not to comment or get involved in such disscusions, but this is getting out of hand. And i think the administrators on this forum are disgraceful, they are supposed to be here to offer help not biased opinions.

What annoys me most is when somebody asks for genuine advice regarding an engine build that includes one of our products and the next guy puts 'wait read this' and puts a link to the ollie lewis thread which not only has nothing to do with the original question but also features alot of unproven and in my opinion unfair an untrue accusations.

Also the guy yesterday posts a thread because hes worried he may not get his cylinder head in time, fine. But then all he gets is crap from people who wouldnt trust us because his mates aunties neighbours dog had a head off us and it was a week late. Half the people that have the most to say have never had any experiance with morspeed!!! Oh and when his head DOES turn up in time, does he come on the forum and explain? Apologise maybe? NO Simon has to. Nobody wants to hear of a job well done, thats just boring.

And finally Prawn, as far as i know you have never bought anything from morspeed yet you are first to give your two cents!! Its obvious you have a personal vendetta against simon and morspeed and you cant wait to say how bad we are all over this forum. All i can say is the one time you actually came face to face with me and simon you was rather quiet. Your a big man with a big mouth when hiding behind ur computer.

Done

Ant

Ant, how did your solicitor find out about Steward GTs post? Are you monitoring TMF and letting the solicitor know about any negative comments that are posted about Moorspeed? Also, was the PM actually sent from the solicitor using their own TMF account or is it a cut and paste letter that Mspd has been proveded with?

It beggars belief that it seems like Mspd try to pee the Mini community off at every conceivable opportunity. It’s been a long time since I decided never to use Mspd or buy any of its products and the fact that this thread is here and the way Mspd have reacted to other threads regarding their customer services reaffirms that decision.

Edited by pogie, 16 May 2009 - 07:09 AM.

[jwb_moto]

JWB, Your mate eh?? Just proving my point. And Smart Performance or whatever he is called is not our sister company or anything to do with us he just buys bits off us.

Ant if you want to know who my mate is pm me.

Sorry must have mis read what simon had put.

[monkey]

I cant get my head around this... surly if this wasn't a forum, but a big club that all met up and the pub down the road from me, would all these legal threats still be being thrown around?
I don't see what is wrong with me voicing my opinions about a company to my mates over a cold pint in the pub, so what is wrong with me doing on a public forum?
You couldn't take legal action against the pub because of comments i made in the pub, so how can legal action be taken against the forum? Only difference i can see between pub and forum is the forum has a wider audience?