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#1 1987_ParkLane

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 09:15 PM

Hi all,

I was just wondering how hard is it to blend new paint into old paint? If you don't know what I mean I'll try and explain it another way :P . Well...not all of my mini needs to be sprayed, the front end was done about the middle of last year, and most of the drivers side has been doe from the crash, but here and there, there are scratches and small bubbles, and I was wondering how hard it would be to repair the small area they are in, and blend it into the old paint :) . Obviously you would need to get the same colour paint...also where can you get paint from :) ?

Can anyone help?

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 09:54 PM

It all depends on what kind of paint it is and what colour it is.

It can be awkward to blend new water based paint into solvent paint (some colours are no longer available in solvent)

Some metallics are awkward such as greens.

Direct gloss is also awkward.

Really I could do with knowing the colour and when it was last painted

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:06 PM

The colour is black and the code is PMA, not sure when the car was last sprayed to be honest :thumbsup: .

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:14 PM

Ive blended that colour before, its not too difficult

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:33 PM

the way we do it at work is paint what you have to then get some laquer mix it thin and blow it over the edge of the paint until it blends together. when its dry just polish the laquer so it blends in again, we do this is on commercial vehicles so theres probably a diffrent way for cars

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:35 PM

Ive blended that colour before, its not too difficult

paul


Thats great, any tips, and where can I get paint from?

the way we do it at work is paint what you have to then get some laquer mix it thin and blow it over the edge of the paint until it blends together. when its dry just polish the laquer so it blends in again, we do this is on commercial vehicles so theres probably a diffrent way for cars


Sounds good, I'm sure someone will clear that up >_< .

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 08:24 PM

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 08:36 PM

Not sure the best place to get paint in your area.

Prep and prime and flat the repairs
Mask the panels off that are being coloured
Polish the original paint with G3 where the new paint will be blended. This will give just enough 'key' for the blend paint to stick
Put 1 coat of colour over the primer
Another coat of colour over that area but make it a slightly larger area
Last coat should be a larger area still but light around the edges without going right upto the masking.
If its direct gloss get a little neat thinner in the gun and lightly dust it over the blend, it will go matt.
If its lacquer finish put the lacquer on in the same way as the colour - getting larger, it could be easier for you to lacquer out the full panel.
Flat and polish.

This is how I have always done it, its hard to explain it, I just do it without thinking

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 08:41 PM

Not sure the best place to get paint in your area.

Prep and prime and flat the repairs
Mask the panels off that are being coloured
Polish the original paint with G3 where the new paint will be blended. This will give just enough 'key' for the blend paint to stick
Put 1 coat of colour over the primer
Another coat of colour over that area but make it a slightly larger area
Last coat should be a larger area still but light around the edges without going right upto the masking.
If its direct gloss get a little neat thinner in the gun and lightly dust it over the blend, it will go matt.
If its lacquer finish put the lacquer on in the same way as the colour - getting larger, it could be easier for you to lacquer out the full panel.
Flat and polish.

This is how I have always done it, its hard to explain it, I just do it without thinking

Paul


Thats great, thanks, I think I get what you mean lol.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 08:46 PM

That G3 stuff, do you mean something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...3QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 08:49 PM

Yes, thats what I use, some use G matt by Farecla or scotchbrite, but I think theyre too coarse.

I see Panelbeater Peter is reading, he can give some good advice too, maybe something I left out or another technique

Paul

Edited by Paul Wiginton, 02 April 2009 - 08:52 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2009 - 08:54 PM

Yes, thats what I use, some use G matt by Farecla or scotchbrite, but I think theyre too coarse

Paul


That great stuff Paul, cheers. You know when you said:

Another coat of colour over that area but make it a slightly larger area


Do you just mask off a larger area, then go over with the colour, with no primer or anything, just buffed over with some of that G3, and straight over the previous paint, etc?

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 08:58 PM

If I was doing a blend I'd do it like so.. Firstly, make sure that you have the most accurate colour match possible, take your car or a part of your car to a bodyshop/paint supplier and get them to match it, there are usually a few variants of any colour. If there isn't a good match, then paint can be tinted, but some places wouldn't want to be bothered doing that. To prepare the area, ideally you'd polish up the paint that you plan to blend over with a polishing mop and cutting compound, or if you haven't a mop, then a bit of compound on a cloth does ok. The reason for this, is that if it's a solid colour, it will likely have faded unless the paint is quite new, and it also removes contaminants that you might not see, but when you paint over them it will be obvious. It's easier to blend basecoat and laquer than solid gloss, but both are relatively easy if you do it right. When the area is polished up, use grey scotchbrite to abrade upto where you want the blend to end, and mask up etc. For basecoat, apply the basecoat at quite a low pressure, about 1.5 bar, with the gun pointing away from the blend edge. You want to keep the base about 4/5 inches away from the edge of the scotched area. Next apply the lacquer over the top, keeping the pressure about the same, apply the first coat upto about 2 inches from the scotched edge, then after that has flashed off, apply the next right upto the edge. Straight away tip the lacquer out of the gun ans swill it out with thinners. Using a good blend out thinner such as Lechler 744, and keeping the pressure of the gun very low, about 1/2 a bar, blow a very dusty coat onto the edge, aiming it into the painted area, but starting it on the shiny paint just after your lacquer. Leave that for about 25 seconds, then apply another the same way, but take it about a cm further out. Let that dry, and polish the blend back with cutting compound, but not too much, just until it's shiny, then it helps to stop the blend becoming visible and "pulling back" if you follow the course compound with an anti swirl compound on a finer mophead. For solid colours, use the same emthod, but miss out the basecoat section and replace the lacquer for solid gloss. Phew that was a bit of a lecture.. >.>

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 09:00 PM

This is what I meant by its hard to explain.

Take a door for example.
The bottom front corner has been repaired.
Mask the panel so the whole skin is exposed.
Prep prime and flat the repair - keeping it as small as you can.
G3 the whole panel.
Put the first coat of colour on so it just covers the primer, then the second coat a bit bigger and the 3rd a bit bigger still. You can lacquer the whole panel if you want.

Paul

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 09:05 PM

This is what I meant by its hard to explain.

Take a door for example.
The bottom front corner has been repaired.
Mask the panel so the whole skin is exposed.
Prep prime and flat the repair - keeping it as small as you can.
G3 the whole panel.
Put the first coat of colour on so it just covers the primer, then the second coat a bit bigger and the 3rd a bit bigger still. You can lacquer the whole panel if you want.

Paul


=] I hadn't seen your reply, sorry Paul! yeah it is tricky to explain!




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