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[Guess-Works.com]

I don't want to be a stick in the mud BUT and I re-iterate...

Reshelling your car with a used shell and retaining the original registration of your vehicle is illegal, commonly called ringing...

You do that at your own risk....

Reshelling the car with a used shell and putting the car through an SVA and obtaining a "Q" plate is how it should be done...

If you want to retain your registration, then the only way is to use a NEW shell. (wth proof)

[Phaeton]

I don't want to be a stick in the mud BUT and I re-iterate...

Reshelling your car with a used shell and retaining the original registration of your vehicle is illegal, commonly called ringing...

You do that at your own risk....

Reshelling the car with a used shell and putting the car through an SVA and obtaining a "Q" plate is how it should be done...

If you want to retain your registration, then the only way is to use a NEW shell. (wth proof)

Guessworks got to agree/disagree with you on this, if he was to try to pass off the friends shell as NIBS then that is ringing & it should be reported to Police as fraud. This is making the assumption he swaps the chassis plates & resprays it the same colour.

However if he uses friends shell & puts all NIBS bits into/on it, & assuming he also gets the V5C he can just take it down for an MOT to get it back on the road. He then ought to notify DVLA of the engine number change, again assuming he uses NIBS engine.

Taking this one stage further as long as NIBS was currently taxed & MOT'd when the friends shell is then MOT'd & taxed he could get NIBS plates put on the friends shell by DVLA transfer (called cherished plates). Then he could scrap NIBS now registered on different plates. This is the legal way to do it I think but check the current cost of this is £80, there is another £25 to pay if he wanted NIBS plates put on retention now.

Alan...

Edited by Phaeton, 16 May 2007 - 10:31 AM.

[Jammy]

However if he uses friends shell & puts all NIBS bits into/on it, & assuming he also gets the V5C he can just take it down for an MOT to get it back on the road. He then ought to notify DVLA of the engine number change, again assuming he uses NIBS engine.

He would have to use several key bits of the 'new' shell to be able to keep the ID that goes with the shell, namely the engine, drive shafts, suspension, etc.

[Guess-Works.com]

I don't want to be a stick in the mud BUT and I re-iterate...

Reshelling your car with a used shell and retaining the original registration of your vehicle is illegal, commonly called ringing...

You do that at your own risk....

Reshelling the car with a used shell and putting the car through an SVA and obtaining a "Q" plate is how it should be done...

If you want to retain your registration, then the only way is to use a NEW shell. (wth proof)

Guessworks got to agree/disagree with you on this, if he was to try to pass off the friends shell as NIBS then that is ringing & it should be reported to Police as fraud. This is making the assumption he swaps the chassis plates & resprays it the same colour.

However if he uses friends shell & puts all NIBS bits into/on it, & assuming he also gets the V5C he can just take it down for an MOT to get it back on the road. He then ought to notify DVLA of the engine number change, again assuming he uses NIBS engine.

Taking this one stage further as long as NIBS was currently taxed & MOT'd when the friends shell is then MOT'd & taxed he could get NIBS plates put on the friends shell by DVLA transfer (called cherished plates). Then he could scrap NIBS now registered on different plates. This is the legal way to do it I think but check the current cost of this is £80, there is another £25 to pay if he wanted NIBS plates put on retention now.

Alan...

Correct with one small exception...

He can ONLY transfer the plate onto the 'donored' vehicle if it is of an equivalent or later date to NIBS, ie N reg or later.... You cannot make a car appear newer that it is registered as.

The likelyhood of picking up a '95 on shell with v5 which is not accident damaged is remote...

[Yeti]

Hey mate, its so harsh to hear people crashing there mini's. I would be heart broken if i crashed mine (i'd have to get the little back on the road again first!!!). Glad you and your lady are okay...

I see your windscreen is not... MOT acceptable?


Im selling one in the forsale section, but if you want it its yours for nothing..... well a 50p cup of tea? can't have someting for nothing...


Im in sussex so Im not too far away, you could either grab a lift or if someone is willing to collect it for you if you do want it.


Mr Benn


Ps Im going to the L2B so if you know someone that is going that will give you a lift or will help you out let me know

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Sorry to hear about your crash mate, hope you get it all sorted soon!

Shame you don't live up here, my mate is selling a red Sprite with 11mths MOT and 2 mths tax for £895! Needs some bodywork (front end really) but other than that its pretty sound.

Good luck mate. Ad

[Phaeton]

I don't want to be a stick in the mud BUT and I re-iterate...

Reshelling your car with a used shell and retaining the original registration of your vehicle is illegal, commonly called ringing...

You do that at your own risk....

Reshelling the car with a used shell and putting the car through an SVA and obtaining a "Q" plate is how it should be done...

If you want to retain your registration, then the only way is to use a NEW shell. (wth proof)

Guessworks got to agree/disagree with you on this, if he was to try to pass off the friends shell as NIBS then that is ringing & it should be reported to Police as fraud. This is making the assumption he swaps the chassis plates & resprays it the same colour.

However if he uses friends shell & puts all NIBS bits into/on it, & assuming he also gets the V5C he can just take it down for an MOT to get it back on the road. He then ought to notify DVLA of the engine number change, again assuming he uses NIBS engine.

Taking this one stage further as long as NIBS was currently taxed & MOT'd when the friends shell is then MOT'd & taxed he could get NIBS plates put on the friends shell by DVLA transfer (called cherished plates). Then he could scrap NIBS now registered on different plates. This is the legal way to do it I think but check the current cost of this is £80, there is another £25 to pay if he wanted NIBS plates put on retention now.

Alan...

Correct with one small exception...

He can ONLY transfer the plate onto the 'donored' vehicle if it is of an equivalent or later date to NIBS, ie N reg or later.... You cannot make a car appear newer that it is registered as.

The likelyhood of picking up a '95 on shell with v5 which is not accident damaged is remote...

I stand corrected, I didn't realise that NIBS was that new

Alan...

[Phaeton]

However if he uses friends shell & puts all NIBS bits into/on it, & assuming he also gets the V5C he can just take it down for an MOT to get it back on the road. He then ought to notify DVLA of the engine number change, again assuming he uses NIBS engine.

He would have to use several key bits of the 'new' shell to be able to keep the ID that goes with the shell, namely the engine, drive shafts, suspension, etc.

No he wouldn't? He can effectively swap all the parts over, what is the difference between doing that & rebuilding the shell out of parts bought off TMF, eBay & the local scrapyards. As long as the chassis number stays on the chassis then he can legally just go down to any MOT station.

Alan...

[Jammy]

Not true, if you don't replace parts on a car with *new, direct replacement* parts then you effectively lose the identity of the vehicle. If you were to strictly adhere to VOSA rules and replace the engine, suspension, subframes, axles, etc with 2nd hand parts you would strictly have to apply for an SVA and q plate. Its all here.

[Phaeton]

Not true, if you don't replace parts on a car with *new, direct replacement* parts then you effectively lose the identity of the vehicle. If you were to strictly adhere to VOSA rules and replace the engine, suspension, subframes, axles, etc with 2nd hand parts you would strictly have to apply for an SVA and q plate. Its all here.

But none of that applies as he is not radically altering the vehicle, he is putting a standard Mini with standard parts back on the road. By your way of looking at it if somebody does an engine change at the same time as fitting Hi-Lo's then they would need a SVA.

As an aside I personally think the bike engined Mini's Z-cars etc. should be considered for SVA before they can go back on the road but they don't need to be, they can just be taken down for a MOT, unless they are 'new build' then they will have to have a SVA & then be registered, depending at the DVLA area will depend what plate they get, age related on engine, new or as is now becoming rare a Q plate.

Alan...

[phils sprite]

wow this is getting awsomely techincal!!!!!!!!

would someone mind simplifiying all of the above so i roughly know what i can and cant do.

phil.

[Jammy]

But none of that applies as he is not radically altering the vehicle, he is putting a standard Mini with standard parts back on the road. By your way of looking at it if somebody does an engine change at the same time as fitting Hi-Lo's then they would need a SVA.

No it wouldn't as you would still have enough points to keep your original ID. And yes, he is radically altering the vehicle, he's changing all the parts on the vehicle!! This isn't 'my way of looking at it', its DVLA regulations, I don't like them as much as the next person, but thats just how it is.

As an aside I personally think the bike engined Mini's Z-cars etc. should be considered for SVA before they can go back on the road but they don't need to be, they can just be taken down for a MOT, unless they are 'new build' then they will have to have a SVA & then be registered, depending at the DVLA area will depend what plate they get, age related on engine, new or as is now becoming rare a Q plate.

Alan...

Personally I believe Z Cars should need SVAs, in fact there are a few people that are putting their Z Car conversions in for SVA tests, as for those that have simply gone for MOTs after completely the build, well, it just shows there are flaws in the system.

[Phaeton]

But none of that applies as he is not radically altering the vehicle, he is putting a standard Mini with standard parts back on the road. By your way of looking at it if somebody does an engine change at the same time as fitting Hi-Lo's then they would need a SVA.

No it wouldn't as you would still have enough points to keep your original ID. And yes, he is radically altering the vehicle, he's changing all the parts on the vehicle!! This isn't 'my way of looking at it', its DVLA regulations, I don't like them as much as the next person, but thats just how it is.

Sorry but I disagree, i believe this is 'your way of looking at it' it is not DVLA regulations, he is not radically altering the vehicle, he is returning to the road a vehicle that is build the way the orginal manufacturer intended, therefore not radically altered. The fact that the parts are sourced from different cars is imaterial. Forget NIBS for a minute, a friend of yours has a Mini shell on his drive, you buy the shell along with the V5C, he has sold everything else off the vehicle. You then source all used parts to get that vehicle back on the road from variety of places, some you already have, some from eBay, some from shows & some from TMF members. When the vehicle is completed it is an exact a copy of the car when it was first registered & put on the road orginally. You then believe you have to take that car for an SVA?

As an aside I personally think the bike engined Mini's Z-cars etc. should be considered for SVA before they can go back on the road but they don't need to be, they can just be taken down for a MOT, unless they are 'new build' then they will have to have a SVA & then be registered, depending at the DVLA area will depend what plate they get, age related on engine, new or as is now becoming rare a Q plate.

Alan...

Personally I believe Z Cars should need SVAs, in fact there are a few people that are putting their Z Car conversions in for SVA tests, as for those that have simply gone for MOTs after completely the build, well, it just shows there are flaws in the system.

Agreed, in my opinion the vehice is being radically changed, i.e. not the way the original manufacturer intended.

Alan...

[Guess-Works.com]

The rules on "Registering a rebuilt vehicle, kit car and kit conversion" is very simple...

Jammy just put up the wrong link...

http://www.direct.go...cle/DG_10014246

Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new or used parts

In order to retain the original registration mark:

cars and car-derived vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).

And two other major components from the original vehicle - ie suspension (front & back); steering assembly; axles (both); transmission or engine.

If a second-hand chassis or monocoque bodyshell is used, the vehicle must pass a an enhanced single vehicle approval (ESVA) or single vehicle approval (SVA) test after which a "Q" prefix registration number will be allocated.

motorcycles must use:
Unmodified frame (original or new) and two other major components from the original vehicle; forks, wheels and engine or gear box.

If a second-hand frame is used the vehicle must pass a motorcycle single vehicle approval (MSVA) test after which a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated.

Therefore a rolling shell with steering constitutes a 'complete' vehicle which may be rebuilt, using it's original registration..

Edited by GuessWorks, 16 May 2007 - 05:43 PM.

[Jammy]

Sorry but I disagree, i believe this is 'your way of looking at it' it is not DVLA regulations, he is not radically altering the vehicle, he is returning to the road a vehicle that is build the way the orginal manufacturer intended, therefore not radically altered. The fact that the parts are sourced from different cars is imaterial. Forget NIBS for a minute, a friend of yours has a Mini shell on his drive, you buy the shell along with the V5C, he has sold everything else off the vehicle. You then source all used parts to get that vehicle back on the road from variety of places, some you already have, some from eBay, some from shows & some from TMF members. When the vehicle is completed it is an exact a copy of the car when it was first registered & put on the road orginally. You then believe you have to take that car for an SVA?

I agree that you shouldn't have to, but as DVLA states, you strictly do (sorry about the wrong link, that hasn't helped!!). Although I agree with you and fully understand where your coming from, I like you, think that if your not deceiving anyone about the identity of the vehicle, and it has not been 'radically altered' from how it left the factory then an MOT should suffice, with possibly a VIC check to ensure that the age and model on the V5 conforms to the vehicle and its parts. However, this is not what the DLVA rules state.